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		<title>Comment on The Democracy of Objects: Something New by Blake</title>
		<link>http://theotherjournal.com/churchandpomo/2012/02/21/the-democracy-of-objects-something-new/#comment-544</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very excited about this new speculative realism movement in philosophy and it&#039;s possibilities for theological and historical work.  I follow Graham Harman&#039;s blog and have many of his books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very excited about this new speculative realism movement in philosophy and it&#8217;s possibilities for theological and historical work.  I follow Graham Harman&#8217;s blog and have many of his books.</p>
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		<title>Comment on contributors by Personal Injury Claims</title>
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		<dc:creator>Personal Injury Claims</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Its hard to find good help...&lt;/strong&gt;

I am forever proclaiming that its difficult to procure good help, but here is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Its hard to find good help&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I am forever proclaiming that its difficult to procure good help, but here is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Not at-home: rethinking hospitality and homelessness by Rethinking Food Banks&#8230; &#171; A Robin Hood&#039;s Musing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rethinking Food Banks&#8230; &#171; A Robin Hood&#039;s Musing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 03:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Not at-home: rethinking hospitality and homelessness (theotherjournal.com) [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Democracy of Objects: Derrida and Dinosaurs by Adam Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS, anyone interested can find Open Humanities&#039; free PDF of the whole book here:

http://openhumanitiespress.org/democracy-of-objects.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS, anyone interested can find Open Humanities&#8217; free PDF of the whole book here:</p>
<p><a href="http://openhumanitiespress.org/democracy-of-objects.html" rel="nofollow">http://openhumanitiespress.org/democracy-of-objects.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Democracy of Objects: Derrida and Dinosaurs by Adam Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff, good questions. I&#039;ll offer a couple of quick responses that I hope to fill out as we go along.

1. I prefer Bryant&#039;s account of OOO in two respects: (a) I think his (crucial) account of what it means for an object to be &quot;withdrawn&quot; is sharper and more useful than Harman&#039;s, and (b) perhaps mostly as a matter of taste, I prefer to work as Bryant does with the Frenchy Deleuze/Lacan paradigm rather than with Harman&#039;s Heidegger.

2. There is, I think, a very interesting relationship between the two. In EE, Badiou does all that long, complicated work with set theory so that, in the end, he can THEN offer an account of a finally &quot;objectless subject&quot; as a subject coupled with an event rather than an object - but I think all that initial stuff with a set theoretical ontology essentially plays out as a highly formal version of a &quot;subjectless ontology of objects.&quot; That might be place to start. Levi, though, probably also has his own ideas about how this works, especially with Logic of Worlds, which I haven&#039;t spent much time with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff, good questions. I&#8217;ll offer a couple of quick responses that I hope to fill out as we go along.</p>
<p>1. I prefer Bryant&#8217;s account of OOO in two respects: (a) I think his (crucial) account of what it means for an object to be &#8220;withdrawn&#8221; is sharper and more useful than Harman&#8217;s, and (b) perhaps mostly as a matter of taste, I prefer to work as Bryant does with the Frenchy Deleuze/Lacan paradigm rather than with Harman&#8217;s Heidegger.</p>
<p>2. There is, I think, a very interesting relationship between the two. In EE, Badiou does all that long, complicated work with set theory so that, in the end, he can THEN offer an account of a finally &#8220;objectless subject&#8221; as a subject coupled with an event rather than an object &#8211; but I think all that initial stuff with a set theoretical ontology essentially plays out as a highly formal version of a &#8220;subjectless ontology of objects.&#8221; That might be place to start. Levi, though, probably also has his own ideas about how this works, especially with Logic of Worlds, which I haven&#8217;t spent much time with.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Democracy of Objects: Derrida and Dinosaurs by dustin ragland</title>
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		<dc:creator>dustin ragland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be playing to what are here being rendered old questions, but would love to see this in dialogue with Buber&#039;s I and Thou, and perhaps, though I haven&#039;t read it yet (other than the intro), Stanley Grenz&#039;s The Named God and The Question Of Being (which he calls a Theo-Ontology). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be playing to what are here being rendered old questions, but would love to see this in dialogue with Buber&#8217;s I and Thou, and perhaps, though I haven&#8217;t read it yet (other than the intro), Stanley Grenz&#8217;s The Named God and The Question Of Being (which he calls a Theo-Ontology).</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Democracy of Objects: Derrida and Dinosaurs by Phil Snider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Snider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post. It reminds me of why Caputo (rightly I think) says that the post in postmodern shouldn&#039;t be understood as being over and done with modernism, but rather conveys a sort of passing through modernism, &quot;so there is no danger of the emergence of an irrational relativistic left, on the one hand, or of lapsing back into a conservative pre-modernism masquerading under the guise of postmodernism, on the other&quot; (On Religion, 60-61).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post. It reminds me of why Caputo (rightly I think) says that the post in postmodern shouldn&#8217;t be understood as being over and done with modernism, but rather conveys a sort of passing through modernism, &#8220;so there is no danger of the emergence of an irrational relativistic left, on the one hand, or of lapsing back into a conservative pre-modernism masquerading under the guise of postmodernism, on the other&#8221; (On Religion, 60-61).</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Democracy of Objects: Derrida and Dinosaurs by geoffh</title>
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		<dc:creator>geoffh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, 

Thanks for this post.  Looking forward to future engagements with Bryant&#039;s book. 
Two questions (as one just beginning to get in on Speculative Realism and OOO):

1) Why do you think Bryant&#039;s work is more successful than Harman&#039;s (esp. since Harman is so prolific recently)?  Why is Bryant a better place to start? If you are going to cover this later in your posts then I&#039;ll happily wait for the answers there.

2) How is Bryant&#039;s &quot;subjectless object&quot; related to Badiou&#039;s &quot;objectless subject&quot;?  Are they different aspects of a similar project, or opposed projects.

Thanks. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, </p>
<p>Thanks for this post.  Looking forward to future engagements with Bryant&#8217;s book.<br />
Two questions (as one just beginning to get in on Speculative Realism and OOO):</p>
<p>1) Why do you think Bryant&#8217;s work is more successful than Harman&#8217;s (esp. since Harman is so prolific recently)?  Why is Bryant a better place to start? If you are going to cover this later in your posts then I&#8217;ll happily wait for the answers there.</p>
<p>2) How is Bryant&#8217;s &#8220;subjectless object&#8221; related to Badiou&#8217;s &#8220;objectless subject&#8221;?  Are they different aspects of a similar project, or opposed projects.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Democracy of Objects: Derrida and Dinosaurs by hewhocutsdown</title>
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		<dc:creator>hewhocutsdown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not perfect, but it is a fantastic introduction to object-oriented materialism/onticology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not perfect, but it is a fantastic introduction to object-oriented materialism/onticology.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Democracy of Objects: Derrida and Dinosaurs by Adam on Object Oriented Philosophy and Religion : Mormon Metaphysics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam on Object Oriented Philosophy and Religion : Mormon Metaphysics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Adam has a nice post on how Levi Bryant&#8217;s The Democracy of Objects can be helpful for religious thinking. I&#8217;ll hopefully be going through Levi&#8217;s book starting next week. [...]</description>
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